Sword/Chikage Enchants, Reforge Table/Gem Upgrades. I would just look up a guide for it, as it's pretty complicated. Have fun. A 12-episode anime adaptation by Arms aired between July and September 2012. Siemturbo • 2 yr. The circle slot only helps if you are using 31. Take your immediate left once you see the big staircase going up. Thanks. Please be careful not to accidentally die, as the Chikage places a constant drain on your HP in its transformed state. You can get up to 31. It is wielded by Brador and is part of The Old Hunters DLC. CryptoThe chikage can be insanely strong but bloodtinge can be a pain to set up to be strong. . they're circle gems and you'll need to do chalice dungeons if you want to use them on lost Chikage/lost Bowblade -_-. CryptoIf you're planning on using the Chikage then you definitely need to level Bloodtinge. 2% gems, normal Chikage). The old labyrinth was carved out by the Pthumerians, superhuman beings that are said to have unlocked the wisdom of the eldritch Truth. Nourishing gems literally don't matter with Chikage. need to be summoned into either: vbi6yvxf or 5wu2zv5n even. 72x, 0. never done one before and figure it's about time i see what all the hype is about. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. Use Evelyn and Chickage obviously. Back off a bit so you are on the carpet - around there you should get the kneeling prompt. Business, Economics, and Finance. But I know I will need good blood tinge and good arcane. 5% Bloodtinge Gems. A early chalice with an Evelyn would also be nice, but not nescescarryTo unlock this part of Cainhurst Castle you must:-Defeat Martyr Logarius-Wear the Crown of Illusion that Logarius dropsThe Chikage is a speed weapon that, wh. More. Tempering gems top out at 27. The kneeling prompt doesn't appear. At this level, people can summon you from bl 20-79, a perfect range for the base game. CryptoFor Bloodborne on the PlayStation 4, a GameFAQs message board topic titled "Chikage setups and bloodtingenology overall". . Tempering gems top out at 27. 76x: 16: This is a four attack combo with a little flourish. Run all 3 eyes and milkweed. There are two exceptions to the Lost versions are the Lost Chikage and Lost Bowblade, which have circular. The weapons that are suitable for the Bloodtinge stat are the Chikage, the Bloodletter, the Reiterpallasch, and the Bowblade. To make the most of this build, use the Chikage in its transformed state. 2. Lost chikage has a circle slot, so you can plug a firearm and your lost Chikage with the damp bloodgems to greatly slow the effect of the Chikage. What the title says, I looked up how to find specific weapons and all the guides tell me to use specific glyphs to find them, but that's only an option in online mode, which I have no intention of paying for, so do specific weapons spawn in specific dungeons, or is it completely random when playing offline? Lost Blade of Mercy; Lost Burial Blade; Lost Chikage; Logarius' Lost Wheel; Lost Reiterpallasch; Ring of Betrothal; Blood Rock . Arthellinus 7 years ago #9. There’s an uncanny Chikage in later 2 of 5jne4scm, which I saw on the Bloodsheets. To get the Chikage katana in bloodborne you need to kill Martyr Logarius in the cainhurst castle area, then pick up and equip his "Crown of Illusions"Then wa. If you're skilltinge you can just farm watcher bosses for 27. As is evident, the base blade will be stronger, but the blood blade will be weaker than the first set-up. Lost Chikage can fit a Bloodtinge gem which can potentially boost its transformed attack power, but at the cost of heavily gimping its untransformed attack power. 1. The badge for purchasing Chikage is the reward for beating Logarius and joining the Vilebloods, which you can do more or less immediately after Vicar Amelia if you've defeated the Witches of Hemwick. 4. 2% physical attack up radials and a 31. CryptoBusiness, Economics, and Finance. Share. Pw: robo Ringing at fog gate. You need to fight them and learn how to get better. Lost Logarius´ Wheel (Alternative) Lost Logarius´ Wheel: Radial: 17: 19. My Chikage As good as it gets with out-of-shape gems! topherOGR 7 years ago #1. The best "normal" weapon is probably the greatsword. The Sinister Bell offering is separate from the actual chalice. 5% bloodtinge gems. I know that BT only affects the transformed state, but when I look at my stats I've noticed that the…I just finished my first playthrough of bloodborne (might be the best game of all time, easily wiped Sekiro for me but I digress), and I fell in love with the Chikage. Q&A. 0 - Mon Jul 06, 2015 11:43 pm #743334. Follow these steps: from the Start menu or by pressing the Win + I key combination, open the Settings and click on the Network and Internet option. I heard from someone that drop rate is very very low so give up before farming haha but now I finally get 31. Take the exit to your left and the Watcher will be up a flight of stairs, guarding a chest. Boosting weapons with mixed damage types. Upon arriving, the player finds themselves in a cave with a lamp. GT: Sho. Board Messages. 5% atk + 15 phys The Chikage is a Trick Weapon in Bloodborne. and overall the the extra damage you get from making a perfect lost chikage is not that big and I think. This Variant has two radial and one circle slot. . Do I level strictly Bloodtinge & use Bloodtinge gems or do I need to level skill also? This is my third playthrough, but this build is pecking at my head a little. The Lost Chikage is in the pre-area. You're browsing the GameFAQs Message Boards as a guest. for free (or Log In if you already have an account) to be able to post messages, change how messages are displayed, and view media in posts. in the back of a long line like always. Roll back your Dark Souls III executable to the working version as noted in the Compatibility section. You can have up to 99 Insight. At this level, you can put more points into your vitality and get more damage out of the Chikage. Uncanny Chikage is a Katana in Bloodborne. Board Topics. Radial and triangle gems that you'd use on the Chikage generally drop as 27. Now you can locate your. 5% tinge in the circle imprint. Unsheathing the chikage in a combo does around 400 damage too. Assuming absolutely top-tier gems that allows the Lost Chikage to be slightly stronger in terms of blood damage. ago. Chikage is at +7 till I get more chunks. That's 21 Rapid Poison procs to bleed her out without any other source of damage like the build-up swings. While you can easily slot in the MUCH easier to get 27. Home. Board. Glyph. 3x31. However, it’s my personal opinion that just having one 31. 5% lost version with 2 out of shape gems. I saw this on multiple sites, but when I tried to search for the Chalice with the glyph, it told me No dungeons found using the given Chalice Glyph. The only differences are the gem slots (i. Its fer out of tricked mode. All of the necessary info will be provided by the Guild Master. Tonitrus will be a staple for your arcane build, so is the sawspear with fire dmg. According to the game's description, it appears to be a foreign sword making use of strange blood magic. GT: Sho Minamimotto/PSN: Azure_Reaper8/Switch: 3102-7895. - Pick Professional starting class. Sometimes you want to dish out as much damage as possible, and that is enabled by Poorman’s gems. Cheats. Business, Economics, and Finance. Then after defeating Logarius you can have. If you switch to lost chikage, you trade one 27% tempering for a 31% bloodtinge. "Never underestimate the power of the scout's code!" - Satan. Some Normals have triangles and their Uncanny variant has the waning. Get tonitrus by being killed by snatcher (not your ex gf that you found out had stds). You can speed post the letter or hand over the same to the assessing officer and get an acknowledgement receipt. Mod offer overhaul in many aspect, changed difficulty, status effects, scaling of weapons, reworked infusions. I've put 150 hours into this game but I play offline so I can't go to any optimal dungeons with glyphs. The glyph code required to enter it is "cummmfpk" (the code alone hints at the dungeon's unfortunate name among players) and, according to Xtrin, only requires the chalice from. On the hidden path to Iosefka, to the left in the poison pit. Then you only need to go to the bottom ritual alter, and do a co-op quick search. Carry a GPS device for emergency situations. D. Im waiting by the lamp pw is bloodyD. An intricate weapon wielded by the royal guards of the Vilebloods. Then you can reenter the dungeon from your short chalice, and presto! Go get the Lost Chikage. Lost Chikage on layer 1. By JohnnyHarpoon - Mon Jul 06, 2015 11:43 pm. For the most part we are just talking about physical gems (3x 27. Just bloodtinge really, because you will want to use it transformed anyways :)The things you get from it are as follows: 25 tomb mold (5) 31 ritual blood (5) 9 red jelly 9 sage's hair 1 yellow backbone 5 great one's wisdom 4 old great one coldblood Noteworthy Treasures: Layer 1: lost reiterpallasch Layer 3: lost chikage and formless oedon Layer 4: 3 of the total 9 red jelly Bosses: Layer 1: Keeper of Old LordsChikage Overview. Not really because you can just easily switch to bloodtinge gems which give 31%, 1h would be useless though, but on the upside you'd get a crazy amount of damage around 800 blood damage from 2h mode. Only use 2 handed. Otherwise the blood and madness weapons are pretty OP for how easy they are to farm and upgrade. Two points of Insight for beating a boss. need to be summoned into either: vbi6yvxf or 5wu2zv5n even. News. Imho the Lost Chikage is worse in almost every case. never done one before and figure it's about time i see what all the hype is about. FastroBoy 6 years ago #3. Get high bloodtinge, and obtain the chikage. DJ_0000 7 years ago #2. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. The best Blood Gems comes from depth 5 dungeons. GameStop Moderna Pfizer Johnson & Johnson AstraZeneca Walgreens Best Buy Novavax SpaceX Tesla. Chalices in Bloodborne are Items the player uses to create versions of Chalice Dungeons. I suppose I could aim for 15 Endurance and 33 Skill at first, and then decide where to put those extra 3 points once I've had some. If you want to maximize the transformed attacks then you should aim for blood attack gems and if you can get the lost chikage because that has a circular slot and circular gems are blood attack gems. Bloodtinge gems are only naturally circles. 5 bloodtinge. "Beastly weapon wielded by Irreverent Izzy. Chikage or Lost Chikage? Lyalius 5 years ago #1 I was looking for an Uncanny Chikage since no one seemed to have the glyph until I realized that the Uncanny one has a. For Bloodborne on the PlayStation 4, a GameFAQs message board topic titled "lost Chikage irregular damage". Start with noble scion and get your bl to 43. looking for a lost chikage for a bloodtinge build i just recently started. If you are going a pure BT build then lost is the best. Need help speed running for chikage comments sorted by Best Top sorted by Best TopFor Bloodborne on the PlayStation 4, a GameFAQs message board topic titled "Normal Chikage vs Lost Chikage" - Page 4. Go down the hall of the pre-area side room. r/huntersbell. 71x, 0. This has been my experience after some testing. I'd recommend cane and sawspear to start then going for the riflespear early in old yharnam until you can get to cainhurst for the reiterpallash then beat logarius for the chikage. 4% stronger blood attack compared to three temperings, but only deals 79% the physical damage. Normal Chikage as well. I think since the chikage doesn't have much range it would be nice to have a secondary weapon like the burial blade possibly, or just anything with more range. . Lost weapons always have 1 Radial, 1 triangle, and 1 waning slot. Farmable Gems (All) Farmable Gems (Physical) Farmable Gems (Arcane) Farmable Gems (Bolt) Farmable Gems (Fire)10 votes, 20 comments. 5 on there isn’t good enough to over come the sacrifice for the visceral damage. You should see that your device is offline and not capturing video. When it comes to scaling on weapons upgrades play a big role. It involves going to meet the Poor Fellow Soldier of Christ. But it's kind of a pain in the ass to get your hands on. dawnofexistence • 6 yr. ABC's LOST explores the destiny of the passengers of Oceanic Flight 815 who crashed on an island. looking for a lost chikage for a bloodtinge build i just recently started. At the end of the day both are viable so it's down to preference of the move set. YouTuber Xtrin shared a video showing off a uniquely easy false-depth dungeon that has developed a rather suggestive name in the Bloodborne community. YouTuber Zoxthegamer has a step by step guide on what you need to do to get Lost Chikage early in the game. Pthumerian Iyhll cursed,. In game Description: "Foreign-made weapon wielded by the royal guards who protect Annalise, Queen of the Vilebloods at Cainhurst Castle. Look for the other side of the story that has already been told; it’s always there. The glyph code required to enter it is "cummmfpk" (the code alone hints at the dungeon's unfortunate name among players) and, according to Xtrin, only requires the chalice from the Blood-Starved. . You can get a Lost Chikage very early in the game, but the rules forbid me to tell you how, just google it. All that money you spent on modding will have been wasted. 14 skill, 15 arc for hunters bone and maybe some end for a pure blood Chikage is definitely a force to be reckoned with though. Unsure if Heavy Abyssal is better. Circular blood gems are normally used to fortify firearms. I think the max possible damage on a lost chikage with two 28. However, in his boss fight, he wields the Holy Moonlight Sword during a certain part in. Hunter's Tools are very powerful (Executioner Gloves are the best in damage dealing) but lack the versatility of a +10 Evelyn with a +31. Lost Chikage with two +31. GameStop Moderna Pfizer Johnson & Johnson AstraZeneca Walgreens Best Buy Novavax SpaceX Tesla. Quite powerful. Active Glyphs. Farming 1st boss is. Nightmare Frontier Walkthrough Entering Nightmare Frontier. And it's a 12. Credit goes to TombProspector for this GLYPH: 9nheuvvz To enter, you'll need to kill blood starved beast for the Pthumeru Chalice. protect Annalise, Queen of the Vilebloods at Cainhurst. The Chikage is best used with transform attacks. You'll have to look up a root dungeon. May be a stupid question but I don't know much about the scaling and leveling and stuff I'm kind of a "haha cool sword go pheIf you have any…Then You can do few chalice dungeons to get lost Chikage. The greater the Depth the greater the difficulty. 2% phys up cursed gems into your Chikage, if you're stubborn enough to farm for these 31. 5% bloodtinge gems which is higher than what you can get out of a physical triangle. Follow this document for optimal path and farming. Not because of the damage. ShinjiDoji • 3 mo. , swords, saws, axes, and so on) as well as all firearms (e. Technically you can get 3x31% Bloodtinge gems, but farming them can take actual months and even with only Tempering gems your unzip will oneshot anyone below ~42 VIT or so. You absolutely need to get the DLC though, it has all the best bosses and weapons. For those that did it, did you enjoy the Chikage run? Bloodborne: The Old Hunters PlayStation 4. ) Defeat the Great Pthumeru Ihyll Chalice's layer 2 boss to receive the. Obtain Lost Chikage from guarded chest in the side area of Layer 1. Rapid Poison (Cause I guess calling it Bleed in a game that has the words Blood in it was a little too obvious to Miyazaki) is really fun gem setup for Chikage. Next, you want your Dex to hit 25, then you want to dump everything into Bloodtinge until it's 50. Run all 3 eyes and milkweed. So I went with the Lost Chikage option. I'm wondering what the difference(s) are between a normal Chikage and a lost Chikage. Official leader of the Illuminati. Having higher discovery will help you, but still a ton of grinding though. My main question is about the scaling with BT. This was recorded in a NG+ and includes the cu. I'm using a +9 Chikage right now and when you activate the blood mode I one shot most normal enemies and I. The player will add the Materials required to the Chalice in the Hunter's Dream 's Ritual Altars to create that Dungeon. This is not to be confused with the post area before the boss. Make sure the scourge beast-thing in the lowest level of Yahar'gul Chapel is dead, and open the door to the cell you get dropped off at when the Snatcher drags you to the Hypogean Gaol. Unfortunately there is no easy way to get the bloodletter, gotta go through all the motions but it is an AMAZING weapon. ago Yeah,. If you want to go physical I’d just stick with a regular chikage. Lost chikage is best if you don't use the normal mode or viscerals at all, and/or you're going to farm out of shape bloodtinge gems for the other slots. So, on a past run to get the Lost Chikage from the first bonus area in 9nheuvvz I noticed that there was something special about that first room, namely a Beast Possessed Soul right at the start. scarlet hues. That Bloodtinge gem slot is sex. Would someone be willing to give directions to the chikage I'm severely under levels for the dungeon. . Associated Rune, Badge, and Equipment: Corruption, Cainhurst Hunter Badge, Chikage, Evelyn, Cainhurst Set, Numbing Mist. CryptoCleric beast>Father G>Hemwick Witches>Forbidden forest into poison caves into back of clinic and grab cainhurst invites>Back to hemwick and touch black statue>Cainhurst for chikage. Chikage is a skill and bloodtinge weapon. . You'll need to repurchase/steal the car again and re mod it. A chalice that breaks a labyrinth seal. Obtain Lost Chikage from guarded chest in the side area of Layer 1. YouTuber Zoxthegamer has a step by step guide on what you need to do to get Lost Chikage early in the game. 2% phys gems from buffed watcher mobs guarding the lever, with a 31. Best Chikage build is: 50/10/14/15/50/6. Eye drop u one. 5% atk + 15 physThe Lost Chikage is in the pre-area. focusing only on blt meaning your visceral attacks will also be weak. The player will need to unlock the gate after defeating the 2 werewolves. Reviews. try using it without locking on, sometimes that works. The Chikage is a katana that drains the player's health when transformed in exchange for pure Bloodtinge damage and to have a Rapid Poison effect on it. Pthumerian Iyhll cursed, rotted, defiled root chalice. would it be worth holding off on bloodtinge til…Business, Economics, and Finance. I saw online that I could get the Lost Chikage, Lost Burial Blade, Lost Blades of Mercy, and a blood rock in the Central Pthumeru Root Chalice with the glyph 'gfh57567'. It's a percentage of your max HP. CryptoNo, Depth is the DIFFICULTY of the dungeon, not how far it goes. Other Notes: 1: This NPC serves no mechanical purpose other than his crazed murmuring. Wherein our hero Braves the many dangers o. SHE: In black of night, a die is cast, heavens overflow with stars. Once from fixes %Physical gems to not buff Bloodtinge = Lost. Some of the other eyes can be crafted or looted through treasure chests. Really high damage and for some reason is one handed so you can use a shield with it. GameStop Moderna Pfizer Johnson & Johnson AstraZeneca Walgreens Best Buy Novavax SpaceX Tesla. well the transformed mode has innate Rapid Poison modifier, so if you want to poison then try to keep it in transformed. Think of it as a veteran build, because the game will be hard until you get to cainhurst, but investing in the right stats will get you goated after you get the weapons. If you go through the trouble of getting 50 skill, I'd argue for temperings. Additional Rites can be used on creation, altering. Next, go to Biometrics and security > Find My Mobile. CryptoMy Chikage run (which was my first run) was a lot of fun though I didn't bother with optimizing the gems. I co-op at the Cainhurst boss more than anywhere else with my online character. Tap the Offline device. Notes. There’s an uncanny Chikage in later 2 of 5jne4scm, which I saw on the Bloodsheets. 2s and a 31. What the title says, I looked up how to find specific weapons and all the guides tell me to use specific glyphs to find them, but that's only an option in online mode, which I have no intention of paying for, so do specific weapons spawn in specific dungeons, or is it completely random when playing offline?Is it possible to get the lost chikage playing offline? (withouth glyphs) I got a perfect bloodtinge gem with my bloodtinge character and now I need…Lost Blade of Mercy; Lost Burial Blade; Lost Chikage; Logarius' Lost Wheel; Lost Reiterpallasch; Ring of Betrothal; Blood Rock . You can level Arcane to 15 if you want but the only useful tool will be the Old Hunter Bone. Foreign-made weapon wielded by the royal guards who. Lost Chikage. There are 3 versions of this weapon: Normal, Uncanny and Lost. Aesthetica of a Rogue Hero (Japanese: はぐれ勇者の 鬼畜美学 （ エステティカ ）, Hepburn: Hagure Yūsha no Esutetika) is a Japanese light novel series written by Tetsuto Uesu and illustrated by Tamago no Kimi. These also get a small damage multiplier, so effective use of transform attacks takes advantage of the incredibly high burst damage of the Chikage, allowing you to cut down a large amount of enemy health, finish. 5% blood damage gem and Bone Marrow Ash. The different (non-DLC) weapon versions are only found in root chalices, not the vanilla ones. Should I fortify my Chikage to +10 or wait till I get the Lost Chikage from chalice dungeons? I only have 1 blood rock so far. Physical up gems raise your. well they wouldnt be lost anymore if you found them. CryptoThe lost gives you a bloodtinge gem slot, which is useful for pure bloodtinge builds. . So either go all the way and use Lost Chikage with chalice level gems, or stick with main story gems and use regular Chikage. Find My Mobile should already be enabled if you signed into your Samsung. Granted, the transformed R2 is hitting like a truck, but obviously at health cost. 8%) boost to Viscerals. Temporarily increases magic attack power and imbues blade with frost. ago. In wanting the Lost Chikage, but the wiki only gives glyphs. How to Get Armor Cainhurst Set & Chikage katana in bloodborneafter killing boss Martyr Logarius in Forsaken Cainhurst Castledrops Crown of Illusions . I will lay out a gold coin trail for you to follow when you enter, ALL. . Business, Economics, and Finance. So I’m currently working on getting my BT to 50 right now, and would like to give the Chikage a try. Naturally, you won't find a Chikage in a depth 2 dungeon. I feel like my regular R1 and R2 are almost as powerful as the transformed attacks. Take a left at the fork. If you think that someone accessed your Google Drive without your permission, we recommend taking steps to make your account more secure. Murder folks at BL43 in Nightmare Frontier with Chikage +10 stacked with Blood Attack +32. 96K views 8 years ago. When the intricate, rippled engraving that spans the Chikage's blade is imbrued with blood, the sword sings in. ago. For those who don't know, it's a Root Pthumeru Ihyll chalice with fetid, rotted, and cured offerings. You don't really lose much time if you get killed from an invasion. GameStop Moderna Pfizer Johnson & Johnson AstraZeneca Walgreens Best Buy Novavax SpaceX Tesla. Yeah exactly what this guy says, 31. I then asked Chikage if she would go get Erin. Pthumerian Iyhll cursed, rotted, defiled root chalice. [deleted] • 9 mo. You have a bad build for Chikage, you need to invest in Bloodtinge to make it worth it. So I've been wondering if the regular, uncanny or lost chikage is the best one to have the gems to deal the most blood damage possible. I’m kind of confused about the scaling / gems. Kill the watchers for the. But only a Root Chalice changes the shape of the old labyrinth when used in a ritual. Trivia. i dont have ps+ and I am trying to get the Uncanny Saw Cleaver by remaking the root dungeon after looting the coffins, after 4 or 5 times all i got were some materials and madman knowledge. 2% physical gems and 1x31. If you want the absolute maximum damage, the Lost version with a bloodtinge gem is the way to go - the absolute peak for the Chikage's damage lies in the Lost Chikage's blood. Someone made a really good guide for bloodtinge on this Reddit so I would look that up. After you have acquired the Chikage level up the bloodtinge till 35. CryptoThe third boss in the Pthumerian Labrynth that holds the Lost Chikage. The best Rapid Poison setup (3x21. Once the poison builds up enough, the enemy will suddenly lose a chunk of health. ) is the…I am not new to the game by any means either. As other people have mentioned, the best way to use the transformed Chikage is in short bursts using the very strong transformation attack. never done one before and figure it's about time i see what all the hype is about. Let me start off by saying i have made two bloodtinge builds both maining the chikage. I feel like trying to do my damage with my BT mode doesn't do enough damage to justify the health loss, especially when I'm not staggering the enemies so they are also hitting me and making me lose even more vials. Adding to this, you can use a specific spell that requires a high value of Bloodtinge to use. If you must have these gems better you get a save editor instead of wasting your time on this imho. ago • Edited 6 yr. 2. Best places to farm gems are. The last thing you want is to get stuck on a wall. 6% 10 turn per day !!If you want to use the Chikage, you need to be leveling skill and bloodtinge. These are effects that amplify the enemies strength and the power of the gems they drop. You also don't need cleric beast in that list either. There are 3 versions of this weapon: Normal, Uncanny and Lost. Lost has two radials and a circular, and the circular can have a larger boost to blood AR than a physical gem. Skill's soft cap is 25, hard cap is 50. My BL is 55, so once you hit 30, feel free to send me a message on PSN if you need help. These are L1 attacks, that bring your weapon from one state to another in the animation. Business, Economics, and Finance. The Chikage would now be very powerful, thanks to the truckloads of DPS. If you just make a generic Ihyl root with no modifiers, and the glyph you're trying to use has one or more, it won't let you enter. does anyone know the odds for unvanny/lost weapons to drop? or should i just move on with the gameThe difference is, with perfect gems you get about 4% more AR from the Lost Chikage because it has a circle slot instead of a triangle, and +Blood ATK gems are circular and go up to +31. I was in a hurry to get rose to a comfortable place to lay down, that I didn't even yell at them for it. A secret symbol left by Caryll, runesmith of Byrgenwerth. Your phone’s mapping apps are precise locating tools. Blood Gems have primary effect and possibly lesser secondary effect.